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Owen Guns Bulletin July 2009 No 21

Bulletin July 19, 2009

Welcome to the Twenty First Edition of the Owen Guns Bulletin.

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The Norinco JW 105. in .223 Remington

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The Norinco JW 105. in .223 Remington.

This is the (Jain Way) JW Model 105, Sometimes called Norinco. These rifles are made in the same factory that manufactures the now famous JW 15 .22 rifle (the Brno Mod One Copy) if you have had a JW15 or know of anyone who had one, you will know that they shoot sometimes better than the rifle they imitiated. These JW105 s are in .223 Remington calibre and have a five shot detachable magazine. They also come with Weaver style mount bases and Quick Detachable studs for QD sling swivels  If you look carefully at the close up photograph you will notice a shiny silver colour, at the breech face,the camera has picked up the chrome plating from inside the chamber. The Chinese are the only non-military manufactures that can afford the chrome process of plating the Barrels and Chambers. They have also chromed the forward section of the Bolt. Chrome plating gives the best protection against erosion and corrosion than anything else besides regular cleaning. The JW 105 is a copy of the Geveram that was very popular in the 1950s and 1960s, they were very good quality but I believe that Gevarm had to stop making them as the were too expensive to produce.
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Norinco Model 213 ‘Tokargypt’ 9 shot Semi Auto

The Model 213 original basis was designed by John Moses Browning, the world famous firearm designer. In the late 1920s the Colt /Browning mechanism was redesigned by Russian, Feoder Tokerev, simplified for mass production and chambered in the powerful 7.62×25. It used the Mod 1911 swinging link, short recoil system.
To enable easy maintenance the hammer and lock mechanism can be removed as a single assemble. To improve the Browning feed system the ammunition feed lips are machined into the frame rather than relying on pressed tin. Which on a battlefield where magazines lips do not get the best attention is a great advantage in reliability and makes the magazines cheaper to produce. It was an extremely tough, reliable and powerful pistol and was later modified by Hungary for export to Egypt this was known as the Tokagypt. The pistol differs from the Tokarev in being chambered for the 9mm Parabellum, a fitted safety catch (WHICH SHOULD NEVER BE RELIED UPON) as well as the half cock safety.


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As can be seen by the inset photo the barrels and chambers are all chrome plated.
It has a plastic wrap around grip stock, instead of the Tokerev ‘bakelite’ and a finger piece type floor plate on the magazine, which improves your chances of quickly getting it out and getting another one in after someone has rammed one in covered in mud. The M 213 Chinese version of this also has a chrome plated barrel shown in the above photograph. These are brand new unfired but have the usual scratch marks and rough corners as shown in the photographs. As standard the barrels are a millimetre short for club licences so are fitted with a slightly longer barrel. The steel is excellent and once a few surfaces, such as slides, are polished they are a slick an easy pointing pistol. Eight rounds in the magazine.

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ACCURATE FIREARM DESIGN

Leade

The leade may be considered a portion of the chamber because it is cut with the finishing chambering reamer although it is ahead of the proper chamber. The leade is that slight recessing and shaping of the bore just in front of the chamber end to accept and fit that portion of the bullet that extends beyond the mouth of the case in the loaded cartridge. It is shaped and dimensioned to fit that portion of the bullet extending beyond the case mouth which is larger than bore diameter.
The Ideal Leade
The front end of the chamber ends with a slightly bevelled shoulder. Forward of this shoulder the bore is made full groove diameter, smooth and without any rifling, for a short distance, then the lands begin and slope up gradually to their full height. This slope up of the lands should be of such angle and length that the ogive of a maximum length bullet in a cartridge of maximum overall length will just touch the slope of the lands evenly over the entire slope. The ogive of a bullet is its curve of point from the front end of its cylindrical portion or greatest diameter to its point. This type of leade is shown in Diagram 4 C.


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Diagram 4 C


Riflemen have found it entirely satisfactory for all practical purposes, and gilt edge accuracy is obtained right along with barrels cut with this type of leade. It would be ideal if the leade were cut so that the ogive of the bullet always impinged on the land slope, and the bullet was straightened up in the bore thereby. But this ideal condition is not possible with factory ammunition because the leade, like the remainder of the chamber, must be made to accept the maximum cartridge. If the leade be too short, that is the lands slope too far back, then it will be difficult to insert a loaded cartridge in the chamber and fully close the bolt, and in extracting such a loaded cartridge, particularly one a little longer than normal, the bullet may pull out of the case and remain in the leade, and the powder may spill in the chamber and breech action.


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Photo of a plaster casting 'leade'.


This can also be caused by faulty factory ammunition, a batch which is presently on the market, bullets that are loose in the cartridge case neck once entered into the leade and not fired but extracted leave the bullet stuck in the leade. The shooter believes he has extracted that round and has not checked that it is incomplete, then loads another as the bullet in this cartridge is also loose as the bolt closes the first bullet compresses the second bullet into the cartridge case. Once the shooter releases the trigger, the double bullets cause a massive overload and increase of pressure within the chamber the result is often catastrophic with molten brass flow steel and wood splinters. Nearly always the safety factors designed into the rifle keep the bolt locked and the shooter does not have the rifle bolt entering his skull but a good rifle is usually wrecked and shooter has eye ear and flesh damaged. Naturally he blames everyone but himself and will not admit that he used substandard ammunition or substandard reloads. 
Riflemen should be on the lookout for such an occurrence in a rifle having a very short leade, and if it happens push the bullet out with a cleaning rod, used from the muzzle, then clear any spilled powder out.

Make sure that bullets seated out can feed from your magazine.
Riflemen who load their own ammunition habitually seat their bullets to such a depth in the case neck that when the cartridge is inserted in the chamber the bullet ogive just touches the slope of the lands. When the loaded cartridge is extracted very faint land marks, perhaps discernible only with a magnifying glass, should be seen on the ogive of the bullet. A bullet thus seated will not pull out of the case when the cartridge is extracted because it just touches, but is not forced into the lands. Of course to seat a bullet out in this manner the bullet must be long enough so that a fair portion of its base will still remain in the case neck to insure a firmly assembled cartridge. Bullets so seated may increase the overall length of the cartridge to such an extent that the cartridge will be too long to fit into and operate through the magazine of the rifle. For Hunting always check that your reloaded ammunition can feed through the magazine. Special target ammunition for long range target shooting can have its bullets seated far out of the case in this manner, so that the ogive touched the lands, and this ammunition can be used single loading in competition.
Springfield Armoury during the 1930s conducted experiments to determine the effect of leade on accuracy. The leade in a barrel was progressively cut further forward during a series of accuracy tests. As the leade was lengthened the extreme spread of the groups increased proportionately showing that the longer the gap between the ogive of the bullet and the beginning of the rifling a greater decrease in accuracy.


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Sako .22 Target rifle.


The .22 Long Rifle cartridge is loaded with an outside lubricated lead bullet, with only a reduced portion of the heel inserted in the case, and all the full diameter portion of the bullet extending beyond and outside the case. The leade is cut very short so that when the cartridge is pushed fully into the chamber the lands will cut into the lead bullet. Cartridges extracted from the chamber should show the land marks pressed right into the cylindrical portion of the bullet almost up to the mouth of the case. Manufacturers, to secure the finest accuracy, let the slope of the lands come as far to the rear as they dare and not have the bullets stick in the leade when a loaded cartridge is extracted. Such a pulled out bullet will occasionally occur in a well chambered .22 rifle and should be watched for. Always extract a loaded cartridge from such a .22 rifle with the muzzle pointed straight up, so that if the bullet sticks the powder will not spill in the chamber and breech. If you are 100% positively sure that this short leade is the only cause of this problem and if no cleaning rod is at hand to push out a stuck bullet, pull a bullet out of a loaded cartridge without spilling the powder, and with the muzzle up, insert the case with its powder in the chamber and shoot the stuck bullet out.
Nothing has been said so far about the chamber for the .22 Long Rifle cartridge. This chamber is seen at its best in the European Target Rifles. Most of the bullets now used in the best Long Rifle ammunition measure .224-inch, and the technique of manufacture of the cartridge is such that best accuracy is obtained with barrels having .222 inch groove diameter. Some manufacturers cut or button their barrels with a groove diameter of .223 to .2235inch, but they may use much wider lands than other manufacturers who have narrower land and larger barrels. Barrels for .22 automatic pistols have chambers cut about  .003 inch larger in diameter at the front and .007 inch larger at the rear than the closest target rifle chambers, so as to insure perfect automatic functioning.

Custom barrel and bullet makers who concentrate on building long range target rifles such as the famous Sir Charles Ross who used to cut the leade in his .280 Ross long range match rifles (but not in sporting rifles) on the European principle. He had a long and smooth portion of the bore ahead of the chamber just exactly groove diameter, which was very slightly larger than the cylindrical diameter of the long 180 grain bullet. This smooth, cylindrical portion of the leade was just the length of the cylindrical maximum diameter of the bullet, and the bullet was a push fit in it. Forward of this, the lands slope was cut to correspond with the ogive of the bullet. The bullet, when it left the case, was completely seated its full bearing in this tight fitted cylindrical portion of the leade, and thus trued up with its axis in line with the axis of the bore, before it entered the rifling. This gives excellent long range accuracy. Custom barrel and bullet makers like Sir Charles could and did control the exact diameter of his bullets, and these match rifles were made in such small quantities that the leade could be cut to exact push fit diameter of that type of bullets. We mere mortals have to make do with what we can find on the shelf and these days with the Americans buying everything that goes bang we Australians our choices are further reduced. So to get the best results we have to use the American style of short leade and tailor make our reloaded ammunition to suit this leade.


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Mauser Model 66S

German manufacturers commonly cut their chambers for center-fire rifles with a very long, smooth, cylindrical leade quite similar to the .280 Ross match barrel leade, but as they have to mass produce without such extreme accuracy, and neither can the exact diameter and length of the cylindrical portion of the bullet be assured. Riflemen have never found that this long German leade was any particular advantage. It is one reason why we find we have to seat the bullets out further in ex –military Mauser rifles, so far in some instances that the best accuracy is found at a length that the ammunition will not fit in the magazine.  In fact we rarely see what might be called gilt edge accuracy from German high power rifle barrels as most German barrels imported into Australia are all very light sporting barrels for expensive hunting rifles. The general design of these complete rifles are not suitable to fit into machine rests and set ups used in benchrest competitions but I suspect that if a person went to the trouble of specially ordering a heavy barrel from one of the top German centrefire manufactures and threaded it into a benchrest competition action of known performance that with ammunition loaded to suit the leade, that they would not be found lacking in the accuracy department.


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Test Target 50 metres open sights in1937 suggests it would n't have much problem shooting better than this with a optical sight and free floating barrel.

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UNDERSTANDING RELOADING AMMUNITION

Understanding Cartridge Reloading  Edition 21

Identifying the Cartridge Case


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The Cartridge case itself provides two separate factors for reloading, the means and the motive for reloading.
1. The ‘means’ by virtue of ‘re usability’;
2. The ‘motive’ because it alone represents more than ‘half the cost’ of the self-contained centre fire metallic cartridge.
Knowledge of the history and development of the metallic cartridge case that we know today may be of little value in producing minute-of-angle groups. Familiarity with the subject will help you to appreciate the toil, tears and money that have gone into what looks such a simple brass cup. More importantly the history will help instruct you in the nomenclature, the terminology which is so important in identifying and describing to others your success and problem. We all have to communicate to continue learning. 
The historical development of small arms ammunition is not a certainty of a fact. There is much controversy about  who invented and when  “gunpowder” was first used to propel a projectile. In fact, much of the early development of firearms is shrouded in rumour, imagination, fiction, and with some facts. It is strange that a development of such huge importance to civilization should be so dimly chronicled when tiny details of lesser, even earlier events are so readily available.
The origin of the cartridge case is just as vague. There are reasons to believe that King Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden began the cartridge industry. He is alleged to have ordered his crack troops to carry their powder and ball together in prepared rolls of paper, twisted together at the ends. The leaden ball reposed in one end of the paper cylinder and a measured charge of powder was poured in on top of it. This was in the early 1600’s. King Gustavus evidently believed that ‘peace was only provided by superior firepower’ as history has it that he organised the manufacture of lightweight cannons made from leather, wood and hoop steel similar to the way beer or wine barrels are manufacture that gave him mobility with his artillery and made him the military master of Europe.
Even before Gustavus there appears to have been cannons which used a separate chamber. It was loaded beforehand with powder and shot, then wedged into place in a recess, hopefully in alignment with the gun’s bore. This device would seem to be the most direct antecedent of today’s breech loading cartridge, even though not adapted to use with more personal arms.


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Breech Loading Cannon, the chamber cartridge is at the back held with the big steel wedge at the rear of the barrel. The big pin at the rear seems to be the mechanism that is driven into the ground to secure it in position.

Gustavus, was the innovator of the paper cartridge, he trained his musketeers to bite or tear open the end containing the powder. Then pouring the powder down the cavernous muzzle of his piece, then dropping in the undersize ball (paper and all) and wacked it a few times with his ramrod. A few thumps would compact the paper to give it purchase on the bore also deforming the ball to hopefully grip the walls of the bore. This all helped to hold the ball in place as it was embarrassing when levelling one’s matchlock at an enemy, to have the ball roll sedately from the muzzle just before the trigger was pulled. Regardless of the many attempts made to combine powder and ball for ease of handling, a practical cartridge had to wait on the development of percussion ignition. Rev. Alexander John Forsyth, of the Scottish clergy, first applied a percussion compound to firearms ignition, which much more information will be supplies in the editions on ‘primers’.
The first completely self-contained cartridge, thus the first case, to achieve any significant degree of success was the Dreyse, adopted by the Prussian Army in 1842. It was variously of paper, linen or silk, containing a substantial charge of powder and a conical lead bullet in the usual arrangement. A pellet of detonating compound (fulminate of mercury) was placed centrally against the base of the bullet. In this position it was struck by a long, slender “needle” firing pin. To do so, the pin had first to pierce the head of the case, cardboard, then penetrate completely through the powder charge. Quite a task. When the mechanism was new and perfectly clean, it worked, after a fashion. After corrosion induced by powder fouling, aided and abetted by the gummy residue of several firings, it worked poorly in the field. In terms of ability to continue shooting under poor conditions, the caplock musket with paper cartridge was superior to the Dreyse Zundnadelgewehr (needle gun). As always human invention improved on the system.


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11 mm French Chassepot Needle Rifle had an improvement on the Dryse, a rubber seal to prevent gas landing in the shooters face.

The same general principle was soon applied to cartridges for both pistols and shotguns, a pin within the cartridge replaced the delicate needle like firing pin which pierced the powder charge.
We now call this development the “pinfire” cartridge. A transverse pin entered the case to rest on a pellet of detonating compound cemented to the wall of the case. The pin was located as near the case head as possible and protruded a fraction of an inch. With the cartridge chambered, the pin stuck out through a notch in the barrel breech. There it could be struck by a conventional hammer driven down on the detonating compound, which exploded to ignite the main charge.

The pinfire case, with its metal head and paper body, sealed the chamber well and tied all the components together.
There is little doubt that the pinfire was the first practical self contained cartridge, though most writers choose to ignore it and jump from paper to the rimfires, perhaps because of its European origin. In the early 1960s, I saw new pinfire pistol ammunition on sale in a British guns shop and in the 1980s had customers who regularly reloaded pinfire types of shotshells.

The first practical cartridges developed in the USA was the combustible type used with percussion caps. The Sharps is typical, using a linen tube glued to the base of the bullet to hold the powder. The flash from the cap penetrated the linen (which might be nitrated) to ignite the cartridge. It had its disadvantages, the major one being that there was no positive means to seal powder gases in the chamber. The case was, of course, consumed in firing.
Next came the Maynard & Burnside cartridges with drawn brass case which effectively sealed powder gases where they belonged. Still, they used a standard percussion cap on a separate nipple for ignition. Its flash was directed to the powder charge through a small hole in the base of the case. A step in the right direction, and a major one, since obturation was positive, but still not good enough, still not fully self contained.
Then came the rimfire cartridge fully self contained, including primer. Though suitable only for low powered cartridges, the rimfire case was a tremendous improvement. Following immediately came many methods of inside central priming to strengthen and adapt the case to more powerful calibers. Some of these were reasonably successful in .44/40, .50/70 and .45/70 calibers.


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9mm Flobert St Entinene Rilfe


The major inherent weakness of the rimfire case was at first carried over into the externally primed centrefire cases. The rim was formed by a simple fold of the thin brass or copper case. The sharp folds further weakened an already marginally strong basic design. This was referred to as folded head construction. Numerous attempts were made to improve upon it, but until the advent of the external centrefire primer, the cases had to be made of very thin, soft metal.
The external primer was inserted into a pocket in the head of the case from outside. Early cases of this type continued to use the folded head for a short time. However, the new system made no demand that case metal be thin so the “solid head” case quickly evolved. It was immeasurably superior to the folding head type. So much so, in fact, the letters SH short for SOLID HEAD were used in the headstamp of Union Metallic Cartridge Co. cases during the transition period.
Today this type case is referred to as “balloon head” since metal surrounding the primer pocket bulges or balloons into the powder space. The term solid head is now reserved for those cases having web thickness considerably greater than primer pocket depth.
The early U.S.A. outside centrefire cases used Berdan type primers. Therefore, the primer pocket contained a conical anvil rising from its floor. This form soon gave way to the British developed Boxer type primer which contained its own anvil and could be more easily removed and replaced.
With the solid head Boxer-primed case, reloading became simple and practical. Even folded head cases could be reloaded, but their inherently weak design often caused failures. Likewise, the Berdan primer could be removed and replaced, but not nearly so easily as the Boxer primer.


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12mm Pinfire Cartridge


Steel Cases
Since the solid head drawn brass case, there has been little advance in this essential component. Webs have been increased in thickness to eliminate the balloon-head bulge, and that is about it. Brass is still principal case material, though billions of steel cases have been produced in war emergencies. Once thought totally unsuitable for cartridge cases, steels have been developed that do the job quite well. Their major disadvantage is increased tool wear and attendant higher cost. Steel was quite widely used for military cases in Europe during WWII. Most ex communist countries  rifle and machine gun ammunition is loaded in steel cases. China has copper coated steel cases and laminated steel cases which are made in layers of mild steel and a copper alloy. Some of these nick named ‘chocolate drops’ as the cartridge cases had a corrosive resistant plating of a dark chocolate colour. They were imported into Australia in great quantities prior to the John Howard Gun Grab in 1996. Steel cases, besides suffering more easily from rust are pliant enough to reform and reload but most are never reloaded as they use a Berdan primer which due to its twin flash holes makes the primer harder to remove. Steel 12 gauge shotgun cartridge cases have always been sort after as they can be reloaded hundreds of times. I imported some Chinese 12 gauge cartridges in the 1980s, I was horrified when I saw that they were solid steel cases, but all very quickly sold to ardent shotgun reloaders who saw the value once they overcame the Berdan primer removal and wad compression problems.

Edition  22 will continue on Cartridge Cases.



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Thought for the week.

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Last week I was visited by an ex politician Mr Neil Turner ex speaker of the Queensland House of Legislative Assembly, ex National Party Member for the Nambour area. His electorate Nicklin was just to the south of Gympie and though not quite as politically shooter oriented as Gympie, had a lot of similar minded residents. He had come into the shop to broker his guns, he is now suffering ill health and was passing on his firearms to another licenced shooter who had to go through the useless brain numbing system of ‘Permits to Acquire’ just to change the ownership of long arms from one licenced shooter to another. Paying the Queensland Police Service for the privilege of being serviced with slow legalistic bureaucratic frustration.
Mr Turner has a very forceful personality, he still has his presence and loud voice which expects to gain dominance over every conversation in the room. He is a tall well built man who likes the sound of his powerful voice and in his younger days would have been accustomed to dominating all that came before him.
First he began admonishing this stupid firearm registration system everyone in the shop from the staff to other customers agreed with him they all had war stories to tell of stuff ups and long waits and mistakes. Then he began telling all, “That he told them, he was the only one in parliament to speak out against it. He had been a shooter all of his life and he had told them. He had told them all in the party room, he had told Borbridge and Cooper.”
Then I said, “Yes, well too bad you did n’t vote against it.”


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Well that cut him up, we all thought the hot air was going to come out of his head like  rockets afterburners.
“Your Wrong, Your Wrong, you always said I voted for it and I did n’t, I did n’t. You mis aligned me.”
I said, “Yes, I know you were the Speaker you only get a casting vote on a tie, but you did n’t have to be there, if you did n’t want to be. If you really wanted to object you could have stood outside and thrown rotten  tomatoes at them and we would have helped you.”
He was talking so hot and fast he was past listening.
“At least I spoke against it none of the others did, there was not even a vote taken there has to be five dissenters before there is a vote taken.”
I said “I knew it was a bi partisan piece of legislation, both parties supported it, but you could have gone and sat next to Mrs Liz Cunningham, the independent, she was against it, you chose to be a part of it.”
“That’s right, I could have resigned from the National Party, that would have brought the Government down, we only had a majority of one and Mrs Cunningham was that one. That wouldn’t have changed anything as Labour would still put it through. I was mal aligned I did not vote for it, I did not vote for it.” He said.
I tried to calm him and at all times spoke quite softly, but he did not hear much of what I said next.
“If you had resigned from the party, as did Bob Catter,  because you thought it was wrong and stated you wished to represent your constituent’s and not represent your party, you would not feel the remorse, anger and frustration that you obviously still feel today.”
“At that time I told Russel Cooper in a letter that if the National Party endorsed John Howard’s irrational Gun legislation that the National party would never re gain government office and that the National Party’s members would be able to travel into parliament in a minibus. I devoted 15 hours a day seven days a week for 18 months to ensure that happened, and it did happen in 1998.”
He missed a lot of the first part, but picked up on the latter.
“What, what, give the government to Labour, look what they are doing to day. Look at what they are doing today.”  By this time his hands were flapping up and down, I thought he was getting ready for a horizontal bird man like take off.  I answered with.
“Once the Nationals showed that they were just as morally corrupt as the Labour party, that there was no difference between the parties, your own integrity should have told you, not to be a part of it, resigning from the party.” CLICK this Link to read what Neil Turner said to the house that day they imposed this tyrannical legislation which causes so much grief.  
Besides what he said in the following bold lines, I agreed with what he said in parliament. This is what I disagreed with him about.
“These laws were conceived out of the Port Arthur tragedy with the best of intentions,”

All thinking persons accept that military-type weapons should not be in the hands of civilians.”

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United Kingdom peashooter National competition, they better watch out if it looks dangerous they will ban them as well.

“My belief is that all Governments had to do three particular things: firstly, ban all *bazookas, cannons, mortars, hand grenades, machine guns and military-style semiautomatics.
*Italics were all banned already for 50 years.


As a collector and shooter of semi -auto Military type firearms I could not agree with him on these points and still believe that I have a right to own the same style of rifle that my government gave me the use of, and paid me to kill its enemies with. If I had the right when I was 17 years old I should certainly have the right when I’m sixty years old.
Even though I agreed with a lot of what he said, I did not agree with what he did, by remaining in the National Party he was a part of our every day sufferance.
If he had resigned and sat in parliament as an independent with Mrs Liz Cunningham it would have meant something it would have made a statement of resistance, as it was his speech was un reported and he went into political oblivion in 1998 he stood again for the National Party his vote was halved by shooter reaction against the Gun laws. Labour came nowhere as Nicklin was a Blue Ribbon right wing seat, an independent with preference support from ‘One Nation’ was elected. The unthinkable occurred, Neil Turner assumed he had a seat in parliament for life he lost our support, he lost his seat. The thought for the week is,

Gun Owners have shown that they can react and vote governments and politicians that oppose them out of office.

However, up to date Gun Owners have been unable to replace these politicians with a group that supports their point of view. WHEN?




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