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Owen Guns Bulletin Edition 61 October 2011

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Thought For the Week
There is some confusing emails going around at present which need
clarification. Remember, “Cui bono” (“To whose benefit?”, literally “as a benefit to whom? If the Police do not benefit we would doubt they would prepare the draft legislation? It is also normal for people to defend the draft Bill they have prepared. This tells the crux of the issue on one of the points of the new Weapons Amendment Bill 2011 currently still before the house.
We have a reprieve until the 25th October 2011 the next sitting day when the Bill is number 2 on the Agenda.  To get an overview, this is how the emails came through.
From: G D
Sent: Wednesday, 21 September 2011 11:22 AM
Subject: FW: Gun Law alert email
Importance: High
Further to the email Peter recently sent re the Firearms License
Amendments. The police have commented below and it appears the Gun Alert email contents are validly notifying us of possible amendments which could disadvantage some of our members.
I suggest we should make members aware of the contents of the email.
This came to me today after passing through a long series of emails.
Seems WLB is well aware of what is in the Bill, and have known for some
Are they setting the Minister up? Or one of those things being slipped
through under the radar?
Shooters Union of Qld Inc
From: Moore.LukeJ@police.qld.gov.au
[mailto:Moore.LukeJ@police.qld.gov.au] On Behalf Of WeaponsLicensing@police.qld.gov.au
Sent: Wednesday, 21 September 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: FW: What the
Importance: High
Mr D,
The proposed amendment concerning magazine capacity in the proposed
Weapons Bill 2011 as follows.
‘68CA Prohibition on possession of particular magazines—category B
‘(1) This section applies to the holder of a firearms licence who is the
registered owner of a category B weapon under the licence.
‘(2) The holder must not possess a magazine—
(a) if the category B weapon has a lever or pump action—with a maximum
capacity of more than 10 rounds for the weapon; or
(b) if the category B weapon is a repeating centre fire rifle—with a
maximum capacity of more than 15 rounds for the weapon.
Maximum penalty—10 penalty units.
‘(3) However, subsection (2) does not apply if—
(a) the holder is the registered owner of a category D or R weapon, held
under another licence, in which the magazine is able to be lawfully used; or
(b) a condition of the holder’s firearms licence authorises possession of a
magazine with a maximum capacity of more than 10 or 15 rounds.’.
Appear it is not limited to detachable magazines only. For your info.
G J O’Connor
Weapons Licensing Branch.
Then the next one is from the Inspector / Manager of Weapons Licencing
Branch Michael Crowley.
The amendments in the Weapons Amendment Bill 2011 need to be read in conjunction with the current Weapons Act 1990 (the Act). Please refer to  the definition of ‘magazine’ in Schedule 2 of the Act. It stipulates:
Schedule 2
magazine means a detachable receptacle for ammunition for a weapon.
This means that where the new section 68CA refers to magazine once
inserted in the Act it means detachable magazine.
I have checked with Sgt O’Connor who advised that this was one the initial
inquires he received. He had the matter clarified a short time later however he forgot to send a clarification email to Mr D. This is something he is now
doing. Unfortunately we cannot publish the details on our website until the Bill is passed.
I trust this information will be of assistance.
Michael Crowley Inspector 3752
Manager Weapons Licensing Branch Queensland Police Service
An Anaesthetic in the Rectum. We all know That Mike wants the Bill Passed.
This seems to have acted like a sedative to a few of our shooting organisations, suppressing the active and comforting the ones who religiously never do anything to oppose new legislation.
Many of the leaders of these sporting shooters associations are so comatose
that they do not understand the basic principles of how legislation in empowered. They must not understand that as soon as legislation is passed and proclaimed by the Governor that it replaces all previous legislation on the item, in every section of the Act of parliament, or any other preceding Acts of parliament. What has usually occurred over the last 150 years, is that as soon as the Governor proclaims the amended Act the Parliamentary drafters, update the last Act and include the amendments, they do word searches and read through the whole Act to ensure that there are no conflicts and that all provisions fall in line with the new amendments.
Definitions or Dictionaries within an Act are all subsequent or follow the
amendments to the provisions of an Act. The words in the provision are the primary power.
Mistakes are made in Acts, there are often conflicts which Policemen like
Mike Crowley have on every occasion over the last 14 years have always recommended that the Police should prosecute and let the Court decide and if the decision goes against them, they will use our tax payer dollars to financially break the sporting shooter through the Appeals court enuring that they get a prosecution and precedent for all subsequent cases. If this occurs with the above amendment the Police will certainly win. His email,  concerning his current interpretation will mean nothing. (Except if tendered it might make the Judge more lenient on sentencing, on the first prosecution) The Judge will only look at the latest most up to date decision of parliament, the current amendment before the house as that re defines what a magazine is. As if this is passed the definition of a magazine will include :-
category B weapon has a lever or pump action— with a maximum capacity of more than 10 rounds for the weapon.
Don’t expect any commonsense, judges just take the widest interpretation that they can, so even if the drafter don’t amend the definitions in Schedule 2 of the Act.
For some reason Mike Crowley manager of the Weapons Licensing Branch
interpretation goes against the precedent that the most current amendment applies. Is it “Cui bono” (“To whose benefit)? You decide who is genuine.
In any event, every man woman and child in Queensland should oppose this
legalisation and all similar prohibitive legislation that collectively punishes the innocent. Removes lawfully owned licensed, registered property, without compensation. It is government theft, its immoral. What is worse, as our Politicians continue to refuse to police criminal activity, they further perpetuate the immoral punitive penalising of the innocent by mis-application of legislation, a trend that both major parties have propergated for over twenty years.
All Gun Laws are a pestilence, a plague on the law
abiding innocent, ignoring the criminal who carries out an act, with that property. This legislation does not just affect people with lever actions and pump action firearms, but anyone who uses a Stanley knife or a Laser.
Shooter use Lasers for Pest eradication, Miners, Surveyors, Metal workers, TV Arial men all will have huge problems acquiring them from Customs, all will have to explain their bonafide use to the Police and the Courts. As with all sorts of knifes for a thousand uses. Just because the Police will not prosecute the perpetrators, that is to difficult, they only wish to prohibit the innocent, with the same false hope it will reduce their work load. Or will it really create them more jobs, imagine how many knifes will now be classed as Category M, chefs applying for licences and Permits to Acquire to have a registered Category M weapon on there licence. This Weapons Amendment Bill is really nonsense and should be scrapped. We have until the 25 th October to convince our states politicians that it is another stupid law, a continuation of  aggravation we already put up with. We all have to make a change. Find out  the contact details of every one of your State MPS on this link write, phone, email, facebook tell all of them that you oppose this legislation and you do not want them to vote for any of it. We have to start tuning back the chains that bind us.
Write letters to your local papers such as the one I sent to the  Gympie Times. See Link. Send them a message from the 200,000 plus Licensed shooters in this state, include their families we have a voting block  of at least 400,000 votes.
Don’t get bound down in the above technicalities, oppose it today, before it
is to late. Which could be the 25th of October 2011.

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With a well made barrel, and receiver with a accurate ammunition, then the degree of skill with which an experienced marksman can shoot depends, in the case of a rifle, on trigger pull, stock, sights, and method of sight adjustment. With a shotgun it depends on trigger pull, stock, and to some extent on visibility of front sight. With a revolver or pistol it depends upon trigger pull, sights, method of sight adjustment, and stock (grips).
Trigger pull has already been covered now we look at stocks and the
relationship with sights, particularly their type and design. The use of stocks and sights comes properly in a work on coaching accurate shooting, and will be mentioned here only to the extent of showing the reasons for why we should design them in a particular way.
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Rifle Stocks
Originally most Australian rifle stocks followed the American designs which
had evolved from those adopted for the Pennsylvania rifle, usually erroneously called the “Kentucky” rifle, dating from about 1730 morphing into the Winchester 1894. In the early years of the 20th Century the Mauser rifle design led to the introduction of the Springfield 1903 Rifle and the American custom Gunsmiths modified that military design to what we see on the early Model 70 Winchester’s and early Remington’s. Of course Australia was influenced by the Lee Enfield rifle stock design but not by choice, only by price as millions were sold here during that century and millions still exist today. As they were designed as a battle rifle, with its primary purpose of stout stick to mount the bayonet on and plunge it in, they were not known for their attributes to shooting and many were modified with pistol grips, cheek pieces. Lever action stocks were light in weight, small in dimensions, had considerable drop at comb and particularly at heel, and were fitted with a crescent shaped butt-plate. Consider the conditions under which these rifles were used. All of these designs were practical in there day. In the USA, and Australia hunting country and the skirmishes with natives were almost invariably in heavily wooded areas with considerable underbrush, and usually it was impossible to see to shoot except from the standing position. The country was largely flat or slightly rolling, and game was found chiefly in the level and well watered valleys. The firearms were muzzle loaders and single shots. Therefore the design of stock was exactly what we would expect, most suitable for firing from the standing position at a target at about the same level as the shooter, and for single shot fire, that is slow fire only.
Development of Marksmanship.
Prior to about 1875 there was no well  written books ,or manuals on accurate shooting, the first being, ‘The Gun’, by W Greener. Between 1875 and 1903 a few magazine articles appeared showing that some individuals were making a study of the subject. The National Rifle Association of Great Britain which flowed from the interest in the Volunteer Militia movement, pushed along by notable people such as Sir Joseph Whitworth and Rudyard Kipling was soon taken up by the Americans and of course expanded world wide and to Australia. Even the British Army began to show considerable interest in accurate shooting and improvements were noted in the Small Arms Text Books but were strangely not adopted by the military that was paying for the research and the productions of the books. During this period those who shot well at long ranges and in rapid fire (skirmish) did so with military rifles which had stocks with more or less flat butt-plates and with very much less drop at the heel than the usual sporting and target stocks of the day.
With the advent of the International Matches in the 1890s real rifle competitive shooting
began and real thought began to be devoted to the subject. Many marksmen returned to their homes from these matches with new  and sound ideas as to accurate shooting. In 1901 Captain William DeV. Foulke had published his pamphlet “The School of the Krag,” in. 1903 Dr. Walter G. Hudson published his book “Modern Rifle Shooting from the American Standpoint,” and in December of that year the writer’s work “Suggestions to Military Riflemen” also was published. But the great impetus was the International Matches, which commenced in the 1890s and caused a remarkable increase in interest in the subject.
About 1920 all marksmanship studies were reviewed by the United States
Regular Army, which then published the first really comprehensive manual on the subject, setting forth the American system of rifle shooting, which system has since been used at the School of Instruction at the National Matches. The same was done in the British Army and Commonwealth by the classic Small Arms Text Book of 1929, which in many areas has never been surpassed for information.
Influence on Design.
As might be expected, all this study, and the development of this system had
a profound effect on rifle design. Specifically the American system of rifle instruction lays emphasis on trigger squeeze as being the whole soul of good rifle shooting. However proper trigger squeeze cannot be taught until the  marksman can aim properly and hold steadily. Aiming is easily taught, but holding is more difficult. The bone and muscular makeup of man is such that a rifle can be held steadiest in certain fairly closely prescribed positions, prone, sitting, kneeling, and standing. In the first three of these positions a properly designed gunsling, used in a certain manner, is a very great aid to steady holding. Finally that a beginner can be taught to hold with great steadiness in the prone position with a rifle sling in about a week’s time.
Therefore the beginner is used to be first taught how to aim, and how to hold
the rifle steadily in the prone position.  The bench rest position has mainly replaced the early prone coaching position but when you do not have one the prone position is the next best. Ability in these having been acquired, he is then taught the principle of correct trigger squeeze, and he then proceeds to learn to co-ordinate his aim, hold, and squeeze by shooting in the prone position.
In a very short time he becomes skilled in this form of shooting, and correct trigger squeeze becomes a fixed habit. He is then taught in turn to shoot sitting, kneeling, and standing, and finally to shoot rapidly and at moving targets and natural targets at both known and estimated distances. Continued in Edition 62.

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Understanding Reloading Ammunition
Development of the Primer  Continued From Edition 58
All priming compounds and powders of the early 20th Century contained materials that had a very bad effect on both barrels and cartridge cases. Potassium chlorate was the heart of the compound, responsible for long storage life and unusually fine stability under almost any climatic conditions. Yet, it left a residue in the bore that promoted very rapid rusting. Plus, the fulminate of mercury in the priming compound made the cartridge case so brittle that, under some circumstance, it could not be reloaded.
Some explanation is in order. A product of combustion of potassium chlorate is potassium chloride, similar to common table salt. Don’t bother trying to use it. (I tried everything in my Mothers kitchen before I was 12 to make Bangs, its similar but doesn’t work.) Potassium chloride, on firing is throughly distributed throughout the bore of the firearm, even being driven into the pores of the metal. There it exhibited its hygroscopic properties. In short, it absorbed moisture from the atmosphere, promoting rapid development of rust. The higher the humidity, the faster the rust develops. During a damp, warm spell, a rifle left uncleaned overnight will develop a coat of rust on its bore, and two or three days would ruin it completely. I have been laughed at, and ribbed by my friends as I clean the barrel religiously before the sun goes down. When the air cools condensation forms in barrels. Next day, I have pushed a dry patch through there barrels and shown them the brown rust on the patch. They stop laughing and listen then, but for most it is to late.
If corrosive powder or primers have been used mere oiling of the bore does little good. The primer residue is not soluble in oil, so it mostly just works away under the oil film, forming rust like mad. Potassium chloride is, however, soluble in plain water. Hot, soapy water cleans it out in a hurry. Bores properly cleaned with hot, soapy water soom after being fired with so-called “chlorate” primers, will suffer no ill effects from the residue, even in very damp climates.
Many good Military small arms instruction manuals of today still specify “cleaning on each of three sucessive days following firing.” During WWII, Korea and up until at least the 1960s the rifleman or machine gunner who forgot those simple instructions could easily wind up on a list of charges for his ruined barrel. British and U.S. manuals further recommended hot, soapy water; plain hot water; cold water and soda ash; and plain cold water, in that order of effectiveness and desirability. Soldiers were instructed to pump hot water through the bore until the barrel was “hot to the touch,” then wipe dry and oil while still hot. Such extensive treatment will generally remove all the chloride residue in one cleaning, but troops were required to do it three days running just in case. The wrath of a sergeant-major upon catching a recruit omitting one of the three cleanings is something that is awesome to behold.
These days shooters can use either Whitworth Copper Solvent or Sweets Solvent, both have a ammonia persulphate and hydrogen peroxide chemical reaction when agitated with the brush in the barrel, this is a strong alkaline which neutralises the sulphuric and nitro acids contained in those chorate salts. So water is not needed, which saves the additional problem of the water going through the other mechanism in the firearm.
For many years, riflemen blamed the powder used for the havoc wrought by chorate primers. Strange and wondrous claims were made for a multitude of “powder” and “nitro” solvents sold for the purpose of preventing ruined bores. In the 1930s Col Julian Hatcher got the bright idea to run controlled tests and that innocent looking primer was properly identified as the culprit. From that day on, chlorate primers have been known as “corrosive primers.”
Through WWII, nearly all military small arms ammunition was loaded with chlorate primers. Not until the early 1960’s did the U.S. military establishment switch over exclusively to a “noncorrosive” type. Details of the changeover are shown below. Other nations made the change a bit earlier or later, the exact dates being difficult to determine.
This simply means that the bulk of the hundreds of millions of rounds of surplus military ammunition sold in this country was “corrosive”-primed. Over the past forty years, I’ve examined thousands of rifles ruined by lack of proper cleaning. That old devil, potassium chloride, will do it every time. If you ever use surplus military ammunition and don’t know what sort of primers they are. Clean, brother, Clean, and Clean again.


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